The following is the text of a private message I received last week on RD.net forum, and my detailed response to it. The member LOVE-GOD had seen my cross-buster tattoo (above) somewhere on the forum, and decided to give me some extremely constructive criticism on it:
Your tattoo with the cross is really something serious.
I hope GOD punish u in hell. For you have fail him alot.
The following response was written to LOVE-GOD in the form of a private message, but I’d like to share it with you all.
Hmm…there’s a lot in this small message of yours. Let’s take a look shall we?
Your tattoo with the cross is really something serious.
Ok, so, clearly my tattoo has brought up some kind of emotional reaction within you…which means you must take offense at any denigrations of your faith. Why is this? Do you feel god needs you to berate me for tattooing myself as such? Are you trying to get me to change my ways so that I can be spared god’s torment?
I hope GOD punish u in hell.
Hmm…well, from this comment it would seem that, no, in fact you would LIKE to see me facing god’s torment. Okay, well I find it odd that you would ACTIVELY WISH eternal torment upon someone who has neither done anything to you nor those around you, but clearly this is what your god teaches: “be angry, vengeful and merciless towards others, and wish torment upon them, for you, above all, are god’s children.”
For you have fail him alot.
Hmm…wow, this is a very complicated little sentence. Okay, so first of all, we are postulating that a god actually exists (1), then we are postulating that he can interact with, or at least the universe we inhabit (2), next we are postulating that this god would be deeply offended and disappointed that I got a tattoo decrying the immorality, irrationality and hypocrisy of organised religion on my arm (3) and would torment me eternally for it (3a), next we are postulating there exists some reason why I would be subject to your god’s torment when I do not believe in him, worship him, or even believe he exists(4), and finally we are postulating that I give a flying fuck what you or your god thinks of my tattoo (5), especially when the reaction is “I hope your burn in hell you horrible little heathen-fag”.
Okay, so let’s examine these postulates of yours.
(1) – Okay, so we are postulating that a god exists. Now, I am of the strong opinion, based on mountains of natural evidence that such a supernatural entity does not, and has never existed. There has never been a single piece of evidence to support the beliefs of thousands of years of world religions, and the supernatural claims of all these religions have slowly but surely been worn away by the gradual and SIGNIFICANT advances of scientific progress. We know now about DNA, Evolution, and how the brain works in a MUCH more advanced way than any other society to date, and we can VERY comfortably discard the postulates of ANY and ALL religions.
All the arguments brought to bear on the case FOR the existence of god, such as the argument from design, have ALL failed to stand up to rigorous scrutiny, and as of, oh 150 years ago, there has NEVER been a single piece of substantial, repeatable, verifiable evidence to support the existence of such a god.
So, in this case, it’s your belief against mine, and in my favour I have mountains of evidence, a rational examination of the situation, and it’s related arguments.
What do you have in favour of your postulate? Does it amount to anything more than bullshit lines from an ancient, excrutiatingly fallible text which makes very little coherent sense?
(2) – So, now we are postulating that the god in the above postulate (which it appears is HIGHLY unlikely to exist, and has no evidence or rational arguments in favour of its existence) can actually interact with our universe.
Now within in this postulate we have two possibilities (a) – this god listens to prayers and human contact and interacts with the world for these or other reasons (b) – or this god was merely a catalyst for the creation of our universe and no longer plays an active role in our universe
(a) – There has never, in how many years of recorded history, been an incident in human history which, after rigourous, rational examination, defied all known natural explanation and was for lack of a better word, literally an act of god, where god was the ONLY possible explanation for that interaction. Never. Not once. You would think that if god interacted with the world i.e. natural disasters, miracles etc… we would have some damn proof of it by now, but no, apparently, if god exists (postulate 1) he has NEVER interacted with our world.
For, if a god, or any other supernatural entity for that matter, were to interact with our world, since they are a supernatural entity, once they begin to interact with our universe, their interactions would be limited to the scope of the laws of our universe, we would be able to examine scientifically this interaction, and logically, and rationally determine that the ONLY logical cause of such an incident was in fact a supernatural entity.
As I’ve already said (a few times) there has never been even a SINGLE case of the above happening.
(b) – In this case god is being invoked as some form of first cause, and then we end up with the argument from first cause, which postulates that everything has a cause, and if you follow things back far enough, you will find god as the first uncaused cause, but since the logic of the arguments calls for EVERYTHING to have a cause, the uncaused cause is an illogicality in the structure of the argument and so cannot exist as part of the argument, and therefore we end up with an infinite regression and we explain absolutely NOTHING.
Also, using god as the catalyst for the beginning of our universe simply COMPLICATES things unnecessarily. In order for god to have been involved in the creation of our universe we would going against the principle of occam’s razor, i.e. we are taking the more complex, and convoluted of two possibilities for a given situation.
(3) – So, now we are considering that the above god (postulate 1 & 2), since it can interact with our universe and can see what is on my arm, is disappointed and offended by my tattoo.
Wow, that is one petty god you got there. Sounds rather abrahamic to me. Were you born in 100BC? Because it sure sounds that way. Anyway, so, now we are ascribing HUMAN emotions, HUMAN motivations and HUMAN punishments to a SUPERNATURAL ENTITY. How does this work?
EVEN if we accept postulates 1 & 2, there is NO possible way we can accept ONE specific HUMAN interpretation of what this supernatural entity is or wants, or how it will react to any given situation.
In fact, it’s INFINITELY more likely that YOU are the one who would torment me for my tattoo, and your perceived offense from it, and NOT this god who you have tried to ascribe human motivations and human interpretations to, who, by all accounts, either does not exist, or is NOTHING like you could possibly imagine (you know, since it’s all SUPERNATURAL and all).
(3a) – Again, we are ascribing human motivations and concepts upon a Supernatural entity, and that does not work. This god of yours is JUST as likely to reward me for my observations about organised religion than it is to beat me for a million years upside the face with a live Halibut.
(4) – So, now we are postulating that this entity somehow has dominion over all the world and that I would be subject to his judgements even though I live my life as if he did not exist, do not believe in even the possibility of him existing, and I decry everything that such an entity would stand for.
So, we are postulating that somehow this entity not only has control over us (the failed postulate 2) but would gladly pass judgement upon us.
Here we go again, ascribing human interpretations upon a SUPERNATURAL concept, imagining him lord of this world, and imagining that he would pass judgement upon us all based on the actions of a few. Hmm….that sounds rather like the way a HUMAN would act, not a SUPERNATURAL entity…strange….and it also falls back upon Postulate 3 since we have are postulating that this entity actually GIVES a shit about what happens on this planet. It is JUST as likely, (or even MORE likely, in my opinion) that should such an entity exist, watching over us all, it is merely a form of life we do not understand and it is merely an observer, observing the existence of lower life forms (us), and has no interest in interacting with us, LEAST of all punishing us for some trivial HUMAN concerns like religion.
(5) – And finally we come to me actually giving a flying rat’s ass what you or this supernatural entity thinks, when this supernatural entity, based upon on ALL the pre-requisite postulates we need to consider, is SO HIGHLY UNLIKELY to exist as to be a statistical improbability.
And this postulate fails straight off the bat, without any real examination, because I do NOT give a flying fuck what you or ANYONE thinks of my tattoo. It is my opinion, and my belief, that all organised religion is a mistake, it is detrimental to our society and our development and progress as a race, and you believing that some sky-fairy-daddy would be pissed off to the point of throwing me in a pit of eternal torment for my beliefs shows me that you are an unenlightened person, whose morals have been informed by the egotistical, savage, wholly immoral and downright fucking disgusting teachings of the major religions of the world.
If there was a god who was so petty and so HUMAN as to wish torment upon me forever for my tattoo and my beliefs, I would spit in his face, and jump into that pit willingly, because I would rather die, or experience torment eternally, than live in a world where people like you are “praised” and held above others as the “chosen people” of a supernatural entity with the mentality of a FIVE-year old bully.